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So, it is the new year.

And I'm sick. I have a cold. How does one get a cold when one hasn't left the house? Really...who knows? Anyway, I'm sick. So off I went to the store today to get some cold medicine. Airborne and Zicam...take my illness away. I have work to get to work on.

In my sickness, I finished watching the first season of Torchwood...which I really liked...though I wouldn't have been so fast to forgive Owen. And I've played quite a bit of Assassin's Creed. A good solid B+ title. It does get a bit repetitive...and the beggars and drunk people get really, really annoying.

Lastly, a pal of mine lent me the trade paperback...return of Hal Jordan...and it was well written...and well drawn...it's just...I don't think I'm that big of a fan of 4 color superheroes....at least, not as such. I mean, I've read comic books all my life...and I have boxes and boxes of books in bags in a closet in my ancestral home (i.e. the house in Oakland).

So what are my comic habits? What did I grow up reading? What did I like?

First and foremost...the groupings I was first really invested in? -- The Horror Books:
The Witching Hour, House of Secrets, House of Mystery, Creepy, Eerie, Vampirella.
Those were the ones I was really invested in.

Dark/Pulpy Heroes: The Shadow, Ghost Rider (before the Chain thing...old school)

Sword and Sorcery/Fantasy: Arion Lord of Atlantis, Warlord, Amethyst Princess of Gemworld, Fables

Crime, Real World and Such: Ms. Tree, 100 Bullets, Midnight Nation, Love and Rockets

Weird Stuff: Shade the Changing Man

So...what heroes books comics did I actually read? (Of course I loved The Watchmen)...
I loved, loved, loved Alan Moore's run of Captain Britain from Marvel UK. I enjoyed the run of Teen Titans from back in the 80s (When Terra was having an affair with Slaymaster). I was basically a DC type of person (mostly because they produced a lot of horror titles in the 70s80s). I would read Wonder Woman a bit. I'd pick up Superman whenever he was up against Mxytleplik...or however you spell his name...I'd pick up Bat Man every once in a while...but...while I have a couple of the major hero books here and there, I never collected X-Men (though I did pick up Excalibur just for my love of Captain Britain...though I didn't like what they did with him...he just lost lots of his Alan Moore punch), never really collected Spiderman, Batman, the Hulk, all of that...the closest I ever came really was a run of Wonder Woman for a while. And the death of Captain America? Whatever. Not only was he one of the mainstream heroes...he was also a Marvel hero. The Green Lantern story? Eh. And the Batman worship gets old.

So my comic collection is never going to be worth as much as all those people who collected X-Men from the beginning. Cuz I was collecting Arion (who? yeah...I know). But I like my collection...and I think it speaks to my particular sort of self.

I'm a geek....and I swim in geek circles...but in an odd way.

I read Shade, but I have never read Sandman. I read Captain Marvel UK, but I've never read X-Man. I've read Ursula K. LeGuin, but I've never read Asimov. I've read the Hobbit, but I've never read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I think Captain Kirk is a terrible, terrible commander...and don't really like the Original Series so much....but I love the new Battlestar Galactica. I loved loved loved V, but I never watched Babylon 5.

Yeah...I'm funky.

All this comes about because I'm currently playing in a Heroes game...I'm playing a Shadow type called the Thin Man. I'm more pulp, and the game is more 4 color. It's okay...but I'm not the target market for the big powered heroes.

I wonder what that means?

I think further on it, but my head is congested, I'm going to bed.

Four color heroes

Date: 2008-01-03 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chorale.livejournal.com
Of the big heroes, my fave is Batman, hands down, but I wish he were written in a way that made him more ingenious and intelligent, and less a super-powered gymnast. I loved Matt Wagner's Sandman Mystery Theatre, and there is a direction Batman could take that would please me. I haven't read Batman in a decade or more because I get tired of the sameness of the plots of long running books. I like it when a book changes writers frequently, but the companies are all about sustaining sales.

I'd like to like Wonder Woman, but the only time I liked her is when George Perez wrote her. She tends to get shoved aside in favor of Superman in the team up books, and I hate that.

I adored Alan Moore's Watchman, his run on Swamp Thing, and Promethia. I love it when he gets mythopoeic.

I still read Love and Rockets, even though it's being stuck in realism has kind of soured the book for me. I wanted extraterrestrial adventure with Penny Century and Maggie, and I didn't get it. Sometimes I feel like the romantic relationship between Maggie and Hopey was an outlet for the fantasies of the male readers.

Currently I read Grendel, and I'm very excited to see where Wagner is going with his story; the Umbrella Academy, Usagi Yojimbo, the exception to my feelings about long running books with one author, the Runaways, the Astonishing X-Men, Buffy, Angel, and Spike by Joss Whedon, Supernatural Law by Batton Lash, (while a horror comic, it's really a humorous legal comic), Anita Blake, and Rex Mundy. I dislike the art in Anita Blake and Rex Mundy, but I like their storylines. I wish I could get in sync with DC's Vertigo line again, and I long for the days of Eddie Campbell.

I don't believe that comics are for making money off the collection, and to me a good comic collection reflects the taste of the collector much more than the popularity of the book. Which is to say, there are a lot of Vampirella and X-Men collectors who are going to be disappointed because everyone has their comics, while a discerning collector may be delighted to discover Arion, Lord of Atlantis in yours.

Re: Four color heroes

Date: 2008-01-03 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trooper6.livejournal.com
Actually, it's funny...the Wonder Womans I'm read were the George Perez ones. The trouble seems to be that the DC universe as these unbelievably strong and powerful Amazon of mythic proportions, and they just don't seem to know what to do with her. And that become really apparent in the team up books...as you point out. I hate that, too.

Alan Moore's run in Swamp Thing was great! But I love Alan Moore in general.

I'll have to think about your comment about Maggie and Hopey....I knew lots of lesbians who were very invested in the book simply because of that relationship...so it did at least have resonance with some lesbians who weren't men. And I do feel that the lack of "lipstickness" did also undercut the male fantasy aspect...but on the other hand...Maggie and Hopey were male fantasies as their base...the fantasies of Jaime Hernandez. I'll think more on that.

Looking at your current list of comics, it reminded me of another set...I really like Manga...but I don't tend to have read the stuff everybody else has read. I like the more crime/political/realist stuff... Sanctuary by Ikegami (who drew Crying Freeman), and Eagle (which was about the 2000 election...and awesome!)

I'm currently reading 100 Bullets and Love and Rockets. I'm reading Fables. I've got Battlestar Galactica and Buffy on my comic saver back in NorCal...I was interested in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic...but I didn't pick it up.

Batman is a funny one for me...I think he could be really great...but often he's...I can't put my finger on it...I think it may not be Batman himself exactly. But there is always this Superman vs. Batman thing. And all these guys get really into Batman...because he's a real jerk (at least the incarnation of him they like the best). These guys also really get into Wolverine and the Punisher...and I start feeling like those three characters are some sort of fantasy outlet for being an asshole...but it isn't really framed that way. Batman is cool, way cooler than boy scout superman. I think I liked the Alan Moore Captain Britain run because Captain Britain was being a jerk, but the book knew it, and didn't approve of his jerkiness. It made him an alcoholic and looking run down...it didn't glamorize being a jerk. And I feel like there is a really large contingent of Batman/Wolverine/Punisher fans who want to indulge in jerkish bullying behavior but think it is heroic.

By the way, thanks for the post! You are awesome!

Date: 2008-01-04 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelastmehina.livejournal.com
Babylon 5 is awesome, and so is Issac Asimov. And so is Sandman.

I hope you get better. If you're feeling up to it, and have the time, I should be at the LA game this weekend. I might be able to show up early to help you with character creation and introductions, if you wish.

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